On Bashar and Syria: The collapse of the neo-Soviet Iranian "Revolutionary Vanguard".
not sure what point you were making, but I will refer you to this post which I think might address some of the points raised in that link you sent.
Also, I will point out that Israel was already acting in Syria with impunity. They were conducting air strikes all the time, they even shot down a Russian fighter jet. Them moving a few ground troops to a buffer zone on the Syrian border isn't quite as concerning; we all know Israeli get the shit kicked out of them in ground battles and they are only good for aerial bombardment from behind the safety of their high walls. Assad couldn't stop their aerial incursions, even after daddy Putin showed up with his s400s. so it's kind of pointless to make an issue out of them stationing troops around the border. If they start marching to Damascus lmk.
At least HTS had the decency to wait for Hezbollah to chicken out and sign a truce with Israel before launching their attack. If this was an Israeli plot don't you think they would have activated it when they actually needed it, i.e. during their skirmish with Hezbollah and not after it had already been settled by a peace agreement eagerly accepted by Hezbollah and Iran?
I will end as I have before with my biggest point; if Iran is so gung ho about wiping Israel off the map then f***ing do it already. The last Iranian strike on Israel shows that Iran now has the means to cripple if not eliminate Israel. So do it. Do it already. Stop blustering and posturing, sack the f*** up and pull the trigger. Yeah there might be repercussions but that shouldn't matter, right? The noble revolutionary Islamic bastion of Iran isn't afraid of retaliation from the Jews and kuffar, is it?c'mon brother, Karbala beckons and martyrdom awaits.
- Omer NaseemOmar Ali Khan so your saying this revolution/take over is not US/Israel/western sponsored
I'm saying even if it is, it's Iran's fault. Read my posts again, especially the part about how no insurgency succeeds unless the regime is actually deeply hated.
The imperialist/Zionists forces are obviously going to exploit any discontent or division for their benefit.
So maybe don't torture your people and bury them alive in the desert. Or finance and arm the murderous psychopath doing that to his own people.
I don't know if this revolution is externally sponsored, or to what degree. First of all it didn't happen overnight, it's been more than ten years in the making. I think the mass murder, imprisonment and torture of Syrians was enough to inspire them to get rid of the dictator Assad without Western encouragement.
Of course it's hard to bitch about "foreign involvement" being behind the toppling of a regime that was itself on life support and needed Iran and Russia just to live to see another day. If Assad hadn't gone begging to daddy Khoemeni and Uncle Putin to save his sorry ass he would have been strung up by a lamppost years ago, in a way that would make Gaddafis death look like a peaceful passing in his sleep in a Florida retirement home.
But as I said in my post, the western/Israeli strategy was more likely to sponsor ISIS to counter both sides. They never liked Nusra front or HTS, they were labeled as terrorist organizations and assiduously excluded from their description of "legitimate resistance" in Syria, which they tended to pretend consisted only of a handful of ex Syrian army officers and, absurdly enough, "the Kurds" because they were secular and at odds with Islamists.
Meanwhile they launched the spectacle of ISIS and then in their media pretended as if Nusra and HTS were basically the same thing as ISIS even thoug they fought fiercely, probably at the behest of their foreign backers. Muddying the waters to make all Islamists look bad by association. Classic western propaganda tactic; they love to encourage and exploit people's stupidity,ignorance and lack of attention to detail to feed them the cognitive garbage that ends up melting their brains more than the drugs and alcohol they are fed to remain stupid and impressionable, leading them to genuinely believe such ridiculous horseshit like "Donald Trump is a political outsider".
HTS won in spite of the fact that the Russians backed Assad and America/Israel backed ISIS. This is to me a testament to the fact that tyrants are doomed to failure, and miraculous delivery against all odds is the birthright of the Ummah.
Definitely reread what I wrote. If you aren't trying to force an erroneous interpretation due to a pre-existing political or cultural bias, you will realize I already addressed the incorrect statements you are trying to posit as the gist of my argument.
Omar Ali Khan i get what you mean,but fault lines are always their in every regime,these kind of hostile takeovers have never achieved any good,take libya for example,its still a mess,syria wont be any different,its just sad that another muslim country has fallen in a state of perpetual unrest.
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interesting that you exclude Iran from the list of revolutions that supposedly gave no benefit to its people.
Go study the history of revolutions sometimes.
After the American revolution, America was in shambles. Economically broken and vulnerable to opportunists, eventually retaliation by the British who burned Washington DC to the ground in the war of 1812.
Look where America is today.
The decades after the French revolution were a disaster for France, due to both internal chaos and external attack.
But it led to the rise of Napoleon and the height of French political, military, cultural and historical power.
The decades after the Russian revolution were an unmitigated catastrophe, with widespread famine, starvation, horrific political oppression and cruelty and loss of competent workers as a result. Eventually making the Nazis think the weakened Russian nation would be an easy target for conquest.
They beat the ever loving dogshit out of the Nazis and went on to become a global superpower.
History is not linear. History moves in waves, like the ocean or light as it travels through space.
- Iran seems to have overplayed its hand,its policies have proved a total failure,all its proxies have been handled methodically by Israel,But as far is this syrian revolution,I dont think any revolution in any middleastern country is comparable to usa or france etc,hand on your heart do you really think a bunch of rebels in syria can lead to a american style democracy?All this great game has visibly only one benefiecery at the moment and that is Israel,they are now like a kid in a candy shop with hundreds of airstrikes in last 2 days,annexing Syrian land,tanks and ground troops have moved deep in syrian territories.It all looks like a well thought out plan
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again, go and actually study the revolutions. Yes America didn't become the technological apex of the human species overnight. It took decades of struggle, adversity, invasions, civil wars and back breaking labor. But all of that was enabled by the revolution.
Why is it so hard for you to believe that Arab Spring could represent the turning point of Middle Eastern history? You think it might be internalized racism making you think no way our revolutions could ever measure up to the goras? I dunno brother I have faith in the ummat...
What advantage to Israel? I know we want to keep beating the dead horse of Israel Israel Israel but Israel isn't benefiting from jack shit. They are fucked either way. Either handle them or stop using them as a boogeyman and excuse to justify Iranian fuck ups.
- POst on CIA outsourcing torture to Assad
No but tell me again about how Assad's toppling was "CIA" backed when they had been outsourcing their torture to a man who developed a reputation as being the best in the torture business, in addition to becoming the greatest drug dealer to emerge in the Middle East.
Why do you think Israel never took out Syrian military hardware on the same scale when Assad was in power? In the last few years they launched plenty of strikes on IRCG units and weapons shipments from Iran to Hezbollah as they crossed Syrian territory, and Assad couldn't do jack sh** about it (or didn't want to).
Maybe because they knew that Assad was a corrupt criminal scumbag who could be bought by anyone, including Netanyahu's self professed bestie-bro Putin.
Maybe that's why they weren't as worried with that hardware in his hands as they are with it falling into the hands of HTS and the revolutionaries.
Accusing Syrian rebels of being CIA backed may itself be a CIA tactic to discredit the revolution that toppled a morally and ideologically flexible dictator that served as a convenient single point of control for all of Syria, which now will be subject to the will of the people and not beholden to the cynical ambitions of a psychopath for rent.
The fact that Israel is more worried about the rebels gaining control over Syria's armaments than they were about Assad speaks volumes on exactly how the West feels about this revolution, and what a duplicitous whore Assad was given that he was lifting up his skirts for both Iran to Russia and the intelligence agencies of "The Great Satan" alike.
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